search
cart
facebook instagram twitter linkedin youtube
  • Sign In
  • Create Account
  • Sign Out
  • My Account
  • NEWS
  • PRODUCTS
    • FEATURED PRODUCTS
  • CONTRACTORS
    • BATH & KITCHEN PRO
    • BUSINESS MANAGEMENT
    • HIGH EFFICIENCY HOMES
    • TECHNOLOGY
    • WATER TREATMENT
    • PMC COLUMNS
      • Dave Yates: Contractor’s Corner
      • John Siegenthaler: Hydronics Workshop
      • Kenny Chapman: The Blue Collar Coach
      • Matt Michel: Service Plumbing Pros
      • Scott Secor: Heating Perceptions
  • ENGINEERS
    • CONTINUING EDUCATION
    • DECARBONIZATION | ELECTRIFICATION
    • FIRE PROTECTION
    • GEOTHERMAL | SOLAR THERMAL
    • PIPING | PLUMBING | PVF
    • PME COLUMNS
      • Christoph Lohr: Strategic Plumbing Insights
      • David Dexter: Plumbing Talking Points
      • James Dipping: Engineer Viewpoints
      • John Seigenthaler: Renewable Heating Design
      • Lowell Manalo: Plumbing Essentials
      • Misty Guard: Guard on Compliance
  • RADIANT & HYDRONICS
    • RADIANT COMFORT REPORT
    • THE GLITCH & THE FIX
  • INSIGHTS
    • CODES
    • GREEN PLUMBING & MECHANICAL
    • PROJECT PROFILES
    • COLUMNS
      • Codes Corner
      • Natalie Forster: Editorial Opinion
      • Guest Editorial
  • MEDIA
    • EBOOKS
    • PODCASTS
    • VIDEOS
    • WEBINARS
  • RESOURCES
    • INDUSTRY CALENDAR
    • DIRECTORIES
    • PM BOOKSTORE
    • CE CENTER
    • MARKET RESEARCH
    • CLASSIFIEDS
  • EMAGAZINE
    • EMAGAZINE
    • ARCHIVE ISSUES
    • CONTACT
    • ADVERTISE
    • PME EMAGAZINE ARCHIVES
  • SIGN UP!
Radiant & HydronicsThe Glitch & The Fix

The Glitch: Follow the arrows

By John Siegenthaler, P.E.
The Glitch
September 30, 2018

The Glitch:

An installer is planning to combine a cast iron boiler with a low temperature radiant floor panel.  He knows that the boiler is not “flow sensitive.”  It can operate with very little if any flow passing though it.  The piping he plans is shown in figure 1.  His thinking is that some of the cool water returning from the radiant panel circuits will pass upward through the “bypass valve” and mix with hot water from the boiler to create lower temperature supply water.  He reasons that the faster the variable speed injection pump runs the higher the water temperature supplied to the radiant panel circuits.   Can you spot at least 4 errors or missing details in this schematic?

Figure 1:

 

The Fix: 

When flow gets “pushed out” of a circulator, all it cares about is getting back to the inlet of that circulator.  It will do so through the path(s) of least resistance. In this system most of the flow from the circulator will pass downward through the bypass valve, and back into the boiler.  A very small flow rate will pass into the radiant panel circuits.  However, that flow rate will be much too low to supply the necessary heat transfer.  This will show up as a very high ∆T across the radiant panel circuits. Whenever mixing is necessary, the circulator carrying heat to the heat emitter(s) must be located between those emitters and the mixing assembly.

 

Other errors include:

  1. Air separator on higher pressure side of circulator.

  2. No purging valves for expediting air removal when filling the system.

  3. Lack of a pressure relief valve on boiler.

  4. Supply temperature sensor upstream of the supposed mixing point.

  5. No means of protecting the cast iron boiler from low temperature inlet water which could cause sustained flue gas condensation.

Figure 2 shows the proper installation of a variable speed injection pump.  Note that there is a drop of at least 18 inches between the tees that connect the injection risers to the boiler loop, and those that connect them to the low temperature distribution loop. 

Figure 2:

Also notice the boiler inlet temperature sensor, which allows the injection mixing controller to slow the injection circulator when necessary to keep the boiler inlet temperature high enough to prevent sustained flue gas condensation.

 

Please read here to view The Glitch & Fix: September 2018 in pdf form.

KEYWORDS: boilers hydronic heat

Share This Story

Looking for a reprint of this article?
From high-res PDFs to custom plaques, order your copy today!

John siegenthaler 200x200

John Siegenthaler, P.E., is a consulting engineer and principal of Appropriate Designs in Holland Patent, New York. In partnership with HeatSpring, he has developed several online courses that provide in-depth, design-level training in modern hydronics systems, air-to-water heat pumps and biomass boiler systems. Additional information and resources for hydronic system design are available on Siegenthaler’s website,  www.hydronicpros.com.

Recommended Content

JOIN TODAY
to unlock your recommendations.

Already have an account? Sign In

  • 2025 Next Gen ALL-STARS hero 1440

    2025 Next Gen All Stars: Top 20 Under 40 Plumbing Professionals

    This year’s group of NextGen All-Stars is full of young...
    Plumbing & Mechanical Engineer
    By: Kristen R. Bayles
  • Worker using the Milwaukee Tool SWITCH PACK drain cleaner

    Pipeline profits: Drain cleaning, pipe inspection create opportunities

    Drain cleaning and inspection services offer lucrative...
    Green Plumbing and Mechanical
    By: Nicole Krawcke
  • Uponor employee, Arturo Moreno

    The reinvestment in American manufacturing and training

    Plumbing & Mechanical Chief Editor Nicole Krawcke and...
    Plumbing News
    By: Nicole Krawcke and Natalie Forster
Manage My Account
  • eNewsletters
  • Online Registration
  • Subscription Customer Service
  • eMagazine
  • Manage My Preferences

More Videos

Popular Stories

Hot water pipes

Campus shutdown at Oakland University exposes hidden risks of aging hot-water infrastructure

Floor heating manifold cabinet with flowmeter and PEX pipe.

Elegance extended: How to use the homerun system of connecting heat emitters

Industrial pressure gauge on a tank.

From cutting edge to classic: How to modernize outdated pneumatic control systems

Poll

Will business be up or down in 2025?

Do you anticipate business in 2025 to be up or down in comparison to 2024?
View Results Poll Archive

Products

The Water Came To A Stop

The Water Came To A Stop

See More Products
eBook | 2025 Radiant & Hydronics All Stars

Related Articles

  • The Glitch

    The Glitch and Fix: Lose the loop

    See More
  • The Glitch.jpg

    The Glitch and Fix: Keep the cost down

    See More
  • The Glitch

    The Glitch & Fix: April 2018

    See More

Related Products

See More Products
  • The ACCA Job Safety (1).jpg

    The ACCA On-The-Job Safety Handbook (Pack of 5)

  • what hydronics taught holohan.jpg

    What Hydronics Taught Holohan: A Memoir of Life in the Heating Industry

  • 51CHeeKvw4L._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

    Hydronic Radiant Heating: A Practical Guide for the Nonengineer Installer

See More Products
×

Keep your content unclogged with our newsletters!

Stay in the know on the latest plumbing & piping industry trends.

JOIN TODAY!
  • RESOURCES
    • Advertise
    • Contact Us
    • Directories
    • Store
    • Want More
    • Supply House Times
  • SIGN UP TODAY
    • Create Account
    • eMagazine
    • eNewsletter
    • Customer Service
    • Manage Preferences
  • SERVICES
    • Marketing Services
    • Reprints
    • Market Research
    • List Rental
    • Survey/Respondent Access
  • STAY CONNECTED
    • LinkedIn
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • YouTube
    • X (Twitter)
  • PRIVACY
    • PRIVACY POLICY
    • TERMS & CONDITIONS
    • DO NOT SELL MY PERSONAL INFORMATION
    • PRIVACY REQUEST
    • ACCESSIBILITY

Copyright ©2025. All Rights Reserved BNP Media.

Design, CMS, Hosting & Web Development :: ePublishing