Been There, Done That
When floor heating
and domestic water heating occurred at the same time, I discovered there was no
flow through the heat exchanger in the indirect tank.
The original building was heated by a well-oversized steam boiler. That boiler had two “bays” for tankless coil water heaters. Not wanting to intermingle the water in the old steam boiler with that in the new system, I installed a very compact tankless coil in the steam boiler, and used it as an isolated heat source for the new system as shown. With the boiler maintaining a minimum temperature of 160 degrees F, and climbing to around 215 degrees F during the steam cycle, this coil had plenty of capacity to handle the new load.
The floor heating portion of the system worked well. It used a high head circulator to provide flow through several thousand feet of PEX tubing. The system also did a good job of heating domestic water. However, if floor heating and domestic water heating occurred at the same time, I discovered there was no flow through the heat exchanger in the indirect tank.
I assumed the small circulator supplying the indirect heater was defective, so I opened it up for a look and test. It was clean and operated fine. After putting it back in the system the problem persisted.
Exercise: So, with the small circulator running, why was there no flow through the heat exchanger in the water heater? Can you figure out what was happening? Also, can you spot some other details in the schematic that should be changed?
We corrected the situation by rewiring the indirect water heater
to operate as a priority load (i.e., the easier fix). However, using a
hydraulic separator as shown in the fix drawing could have eliminated this
interference. A separate circulator would provide flow through the boiler. The
pressure differential created by this circulator would be isolated from the two
distribution circulators. The latter would also be isolated from each other by
the hydraulic separator in combination with the “short and fat” headers.
The moral of the story: When big circulators and small circulators can “see” each other (e.g., each can sense the pressure differential created by the other) they will “fight”. If the heat source and common piping produce high flow resistance, the fight will be intense, and the big circulator will win every time. Stop the fights – provide hydraulic separation of circuits.
Other changes in the fix drawing include:
The Glitch
The Glitch
Overview: Many years ago (when I knew enough about hydronics to be dangerous) I put together a system to provide radiant floor heating and domestic water heating for a building addition.The original building was heated by a well-oversized steam boiler. That boiler had two “bays” for tankless coil water heaters. Not wanting to intermingle the water in the old steam boiler with that in the new system, I installed a very compact tankless coil in the steam boiler, and used it as an isolated heat source for the new system as shown. With the boiler maintaining a minimum temperature of 160 degrees F, and climbing to around 215 degrees F during the steam cycle, this coil had plenty of capacity to handle the new load.
The floor heating portion of the system worked well. It used a high head circulator to provide flow through several thousand feet of PEX tubing. The system also did a good job of heating domestic water. However, if floor heating and domestic water heating occurred at the same time, I discovered there was no flow through the heat exchanger in the indirect tank.
I assumed the small circulator supplying the indirect heater was defective, so I opened it up for a look and test. It was clean and operated fine. After putting it back in the system the problem persisted.
Exercise: So, with the small circulator running, why was there no flow through the heat exchanger in the water heater? Can you figure out what was happening? Also, can you spot some other details in the schematic that should be changed?
What happens when both circulators operate
The Fix
This one took some head scratching. What we eventually found was that the pressure differential created by the high head circulator supplying the radiant portion of the system "The piping fix
The moral of the story: When big circulators and small circulators can “see” each other (e.g., each can sense the pressure differential created by the other) they will “fight”. If the heat source and common piping produce high flow resistance, the fight will be intense, and the big circulator will win every time. Stop the fights – provide hydraulic separation of circuits.
Other changes in the fix drawing include:
- Adding purging valves on the return side of each load circuit
- Moving the expansion tank connection point near the bottom of the hydraulic separator
- Eliminate the original “bullhead tees” between the flow checks
- Putting the flow check valves on the supply side of each load circuit to help minimize heat migration
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