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Radiant & HydronicsThe Glitch & The Fix

The Glitch and Fix: Subtle differences

The Glitch and Fix: November 2018

By John Siegenthaler, P.E.
The glitch
November 27, 2018

The Glitch

An installer needs to provide heat from a conventional gas-fired boiler to a large buffer tank. The tank is necessary because of a highly zoned distribution system. The installer realizes that there could be times when the water temperature in the tank is relatively cool, and that this could cause sustained flue gas condensation within the boiler. To counteract this he installs a variable speed temperature-regulated “bypass circulator” as shown in Figure 1. The rationale is that this circulator will speed up when the boiler inlet temperature is below the dew point of the flue gases, and push plenty of hot water from the boiler’s outlet into the tee below to boost boiler inlet temperature. Will this work? Justify your answer either way.

Figure 1:

 

The fix:

The answer to the question posed at the end of the November Glitch column is no.

The reason is that proper boiler protection requires a “thermal clutch” between the boiler and its load. That “clutch” must be capable of completely decoupling the boiler from the load at times. This is necessary to allow the boiler to “accept” cool water from the load at a rate that doesn’t pull the boiler inlet temperature below the dew point of the flue gases. There is no way that the piping in figure 1 could do this - regardless of how large the bypass circulator is, or how fast it’s running.

However, if the piping and circulators are rearranged as shown in Figure 2, it is possible for the load to be completely decoupled from the boiler.

Figure 2:

The FixThe fixed speed boiler circulator (PB) runs whenever the boiler is enabled to operate. The variable speed “shuttle” circulator remains off until the water temperature entering the boiler climbs to about 130° F. When (PS) is off, flow created by the boiler circulator (PB) does a U-turn at the closely spaced tees. Very little heat migrates away from the boiler loop toward the tank. This allows the boiler to climb above the dew point temperature of its flue gases as quickly as possible. When the boiler inlet temperature reaches 130° the shuttle circulator (PS) begins to speed up. It might reach full speed when the boiler inlet temperature is 5 to 10° above the 130° dew point threshold. This control action is the “thermal clutch.” The variable speed circulator receives constant feedback from the boiler inlet temperature sensor, and adjusts speed up or down as necessary. This provide proper boiler protection even when the buffer tank is very cold. The internal check valve in the shuttle circulator (PS) also prevents reverse thermosiphon flow though the vertical piping connected to the tank.

 

Please read here to view The Glitch and Fix: November 2018 in pdf form.

KEYWORDS: boilers hydronic heat

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John Siegenthaler, P.E., is a consulting engineer and principal of Appropriate Designs in Holland Patent, New York. In partnership with HeatSpring, he has developed several online courses that provide in-depth, design-level training in modern hydronics systems, air-to-water heat pumps and biomass boiler systems. Additional information and resources for hydronic system design are available on Siegenthaler’s website,  www.hydronicpros.com.

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