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Radiant & HydronicsThe Glitch & The Fix

The Glitch & The Fix: March 2025

OK - At a glance: three zone radiant floor heating system

By John Siegenthaler, P.E.
Figure 1 Glitch drawing for March The Glitch & The Fix column.

Image courtesy of John Siegenthaler

March 31, 2025
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Image in modal.

The Glitch

A heating designer is asked to create a three zone radiant floor heating system using a single speed 5-ton (60,000 Btu/hr) geothermal water-to-water heat pump as the primary heat source, and a mod/con boiler as the auxiliary heat source. Because of the symmetry of the building, each zone will have a six circuit manifold station with nearly identical circuit lengths. All the floor heating circuits are underfloor tubing with aluminum plates stapled tightly to the underside of the subfloor and well insulated.

The designer sets up a primary secondary system where each heat source connects to the primary loop using a pair of closely spaced tees, as shown in figure 1.

FIGURE 1

Figure 1 Glitch drawing for March The Glitch & The Fix column.

Image courtesy of John Siegenthaler

Each manifold station is also supplied from a pair of closely spaced tees installed in parallel “crossovers” of the primary loop. This keeps the supply water temperature to each manifold station approximately equal. The system has a seven identical 1/25 HP circulators.

The two heat sources are controlled by a 2-stage setpoint controller. When there’s a demand for heat from any of the zones that controller looks a the temperature at the supply sensor, and uses the following logic:

Stage 1:

If Ts ≤ 115ºF then heat pump = ON

If Ts ≥ 117ºF the heat pump = OFF

Stage 2:

If Ts ≤ 112ºF then boiler = ON

If Ts ≥ 125ºF the boiler = OFF

When put into operation, the heat pump short cycles. The boiler runs much longer than the heat pump.

Look over the system design closely. Can you spot several details that are either incorrect or missing? Can you propose an alternative design that would accomplish the same goals using less hardware?

The Fix

The system in figure 1 contains several errors and omissions.

  • A 1/25 HP circulator might be adequate for a zone, but it’s not going to have sufficient head and flow to serve a 5-ton geothermal heat pump.
  • There’s no air separator or expansion tank in the earth loop. The will lead to wide pressure variations a the loop fluid and piping change temperature.
  • All earth loop circuits must be filled and purged in parallel. While possible, this requires a much more powerful purging pump, compared to situations where each loop can be filled and purged individually.
  • Both circulators on the heat pump are “pulling” flow through their respective heat exchangers inside the heat pump. These heat exchangers typically have high pressure drops. This combination could lead to cavitation in the circulators, especially if the static pressure in the system is low. It always better to “push” flow into high resistance components. Same point for the boiler circulator.
  • The controller on/off settings for stage 1 are much too close, especially for a low thermal mass radiant panel. This is the underlying cause of the short cycling.
  • The “off” setpoint for stage 2 is several degrees higher than stage 1, causing the boiler to remain on after stage 1 has been “satisfied.” and thus turns off.
  • The expansion tank is poorly placed relative to the circulators, this will cause drop in system pressure when the primary loop circulator is on.
  • Two of the purging valves are upside down.
  • There’s no pressure relief valve in the system.
  • There will be some flow imbalance between the manifold stations due to the use of direct return piping. The zone 1 crossover will get more flow than that of zone 2. The zone 2 crossover will get more flow than zone 3.
  • The supply temperature sensor should be downstream of both heat sources. As shown in figure 1 it senses heat input from the heat pump, but not (directly) from the boiler. Once the boiler is turned on it will remain on until the return temperature from the crossovers reaches 125 ºF, which is significantly higher than necessary.
  • The air separator should be available to both heat sources, not just the boiler.
  • The position of the backflow preventer and pressure reducing valve on the make up water system is reversed.
  • There is no way to isolate either heat source from the remainder of the system is necessary for service.

One way to eliminate these issues is shown in figure 2.

FIGURE 2

Figure 2 Fix drawing for March The Glitch & The Fix column.

Image courtesy of John Siegenthaler

Both heat sources can operate individually or in parallel supplying heat to a buffer tank. The mass of the buffer tank stabilizes the system against short cycling.

The temperature of the buffer tank is now controlled by a 2-stage outdoor reset controller rather than a setpoint controller. The heat pump is the fixed lead heat source, and the boiler the backup. As the outdoor temperature increases the temperature of the buffer tank is reduced, which increases the COP of the heat pump and the efficiency of the boiler.

The distribution system is zoned with valves and supplied by a pressure-regulated variable-speed circulator. This reduces circulator count and greatly reduces the electrical energy required to operate the system.

Each heat source can be isolated from the remainder of the system if necessary for service.

Check valves are used to prevent flow reversal or heat migration through either heat source when it is off.

A combination air/dirt separator and expansion tank have been added to the earth loop system.

Each earth loop can be isolated by ball valves, allow for faster filling and flushing.

A pressure relief valve and properly configured make-up water assembly have been added to the system.

The earth loop circulator is pumping away from the expansion tank location, and thus increasing pressure in the earth loop circuits and heat pump evaporator when operating.

Are you an ace troubleshooter?

PM’s Hydronics Editor John Siegenthaler, P.E., will pose a question to you, our readers, to review a system’s schematic layout and discover its faults, flaws and defects. Good luck!
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KEYWORDS: boilers buffer tanks geothermal heat pumps manifold water-to-water heat pumps

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John Siegenthaler, P.E., is a consulting engineer and principal of Appropriate Designs in Holland Patent, New York. In partnership with HeatSpring, he has developed several online courses that provide in-depth, design-level training in modern hydronics systems, air-to-water heat pumps and biomass boiler systems. Additional information and resources for hydronic system design are available on Siegenthaler’s website,  www.hydronicpros.com.

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