search
cart
facebook instagram twitter linkedin youtube
  • Sign In
  • Create Account
  • Sign Out
  • My Account
  • NEWS
  • PRODUCTS
    • FEATURED PRODUCTS
  • CONTRACTORS
    • BATH & KITCHEN PRO
    • BUSINESS MANAGEMENT
    • HIGH EFFICIENCY HOMES
    • TECHNOLOGY
    • WATER TREATMENT
    • PMC COLUMNS
      • Dave Yates: Contractor’s Corner
      • John Siegenthaler: Hydronics Workshop
      • Kenny Chapman: The Blue Collar Coach
      • Matt Michel: Service Plumbing Pros
      • Scott Secor: Heating Perceptions
  • ENGINEERS
    • CONTINUING EDUCATION
    • DECARBONIZATION | ELECTRIFICATION
    • FIRE PROTECTION
    • GEOTHERMAL | SOLAR THERMAL
    • PIPING | PLUMBING | PVF
    • PME COLUMNS
      • Christoph Lohr: Strategic Plumbing Insights
      • David Dexter: Plumbing Talking Points
      • James Dipping: Engineer Viewpoints
      • John Seigenthaler: Renewable Heating Design
      • Lowell Manalo: Plumbing Essentials
      • Misty Guard: Guard on Compliance
  • RADIANT & HYDRONICS
    • RADIANT COMFORT REPORT
    • THE GLITCH & THE FIX
  • INSIGHTS
    • CODES
    • GREEN PLUMBING & MECHANICAL
    • PROJECT PROFILES
    • COLUMNS
      • Codes Corner
      • Natalie Forster: Editorial Opinion
      • Guest Editorial
  • MEDIA
    • EBOOKS
    • PODCASTS
    • VIDEOS
    • WEBINARS
  • RESOURCES
    • INDUSTRY CALENDAR
    • DIRECTORIES
    • PM BOOKSTORE
    • CE CENTER
    • MARKET RESEARCH
    • CLASSIFIEDS
  • EMAGAZINE
    • EMAGAZINE
    • ARCHIVE ISSUES
    • CONTACT
    • ADVERTISE
    • PME EMAGAZINE ARCHIVES
  • SIGN UP!
Plumbing NewsColumnsDave Yates: Contractor’s Corner

Dave Yates: Déjà vu

Do your customers a favor by educating them on the issues of PB piping.

By Dave Yates
product recalls
December 9, 2019

For you younger tradesfolk who have entered into a mechanical career within the past 20 years, you may never have encountered PB (polybutylene) tubing and fittings. To tell you the truth, it’s been a long time since the PB product recall, and more than a decade or two since I have had to deal with PB installations. They say things come in threes and that certainly was true for PB and me over the past month!

 

PB NO. 1

A friend and customer asked me to provide a whole house PHVAC inspection following one done by a nationally certified home inspector because they felt the inspector had missed some issues: A condensate leak in the PVC exhaust for the furnace, the water piping and water heater. Here’s my report:

“On April 18, I inspected plumbing concerns you expressed for the property you are thinking of purchasing. Specifically, the plastic water lines and leaking PVC furnace exhaust piping.

  • “Your incoming water service is copper and appears to be in good condition.
  • “After the copper service line, all visible water lines were found to be Vanguard PB (polybutylene) plastic piping. PB piping was installed between 1978 and 1995, and there was a class action lawsuit over numerous PB pipe and fitting failures. The manufacturers’ set up a $950-million-dollar fund to offset some or all of the costs associated with the replacement of PB piping systems.

“The funds were exhausted long ago, but not all PB piping systems were replaced. The consensus was that PB piping had an approximate 30-year useful life. Given that the home was constructed in 1989, the piping is at the end of its projected life cycle. Essentially, for those who have PB piping systems, it’s not a question of if, but when leaks will develop. Certified home inspectors are not required to report the presence of PB piping or anything about the recall.

  • “Several joints between PVC fittings and pipe on the furnace exhaust were not properly joined using primer and solvent-weld cement. No primer had been utilized and the color of the cement would indicate it was CPVC cement. Primer is required to etch away the hard glaze on the surface of the pipe and interior surface of the fitting to expose the underlying PVC plastic and PVC solvent-weld cement bonds both PVC surfaces to create a water-tight joint.

“Absent the use of primer, the cement acts only as a filler between the two surfaces and can be easily compromised, as is evident here by virtue of an active leak of liquid condensate. Condensate created from the combustion process has an approximate pH of 4, which is acidic, and it is apparent this has been leaking for a long time due to the erosion of the concrete floor where the dripping condensate is landing.”

 

Recommendations

• “Given that PB piping will fail, based upon numerous credible sources you can find via Google, the PB piping system should be replaced. In addition, you should check with your intended homeowner’s insurance company to determine if they will insure a home with PB piping. Those that do often increase the premiums, so replacing the PB piping may lower your insurance premiums. I would anticipate a cost of $x,xxx.xx to replace the home’s PB piping, valves and fixture connections with PEX tubing, valves and fixture supply tubes. Bear in mind this cost does not include drywall patching and painting.

• “Life and safety issue: The PVC combustion exhaust piping must be replaced and properly joined using the correct solvent-weld cement and primer. Every year I come across stories about homeowners who have been killed or permanently disabled from CO (carbon monoxide) poisoning after the exhaust vent piping has failed.

• “A 4.5-gallon thermal expansion tank needs to be installed to protect the water heater and potable water system from over-pressurization stress created by water expanding while being heated.”

 

PB NO. 2

Local friends were looking at a vacation home near the beach and forwarded the home inspection report to me asking for my input. The inspector provided numerous pictures of the plumbing within the crawl space, and the water piping was a patchwork nightmare where leaking PB had been sliced and diced by adding copper, galvanized, and copper piping with push-on, threaded galvanized and crimp fittings!

Most of the piping was not supported making the piping look like a bowl of tossed spaghetti. The fact that PB remains in the potable water piping, along with the patchwork quilt of leak repairs, indicates a real need to completely repipe the potable water system. Theirs is a single floor vacation home with a single bath, kitchen, outdoor shower, one hose bib and a spacious crawl space.

 

PB NO. 3

There was a kitchen remodel in a beautiful home. The carpenter cut open floor access to a sealed crawl space (who does that?) so the electrician could run new power wires. While inside the recessed crawl space, he discovered a water leak.

You guessed it: PB and yet another patchwork quilt of PB, patch, PB, patch, PB, patch. The new homeowners had no idea they had purchased a home with a recalled product! Needless to say, the PB is no more and the patches were removed too for a solid copper repipe.

Clearly PB issues fall under “let the buyer beware” since certified home inspectors are not required to report anything about the recall or the fact that PB is nearing, or has passed, the end of its projected life. Insurance companies are in a position to deny water damage claims if they discover PB is the underlying cause unless the PB piping was made known to them when they issued the insurance policy.

PB indoor potable water piping is typically gray but can be other colors. Blue PB tubing was intended for below grade applications. Tubing will have a marking PB2110 stamped along its exterior. Although Shell Oil, Hoechst Celanese Corp., and E. I. DuPont all denied there was any defect in PB piping or associated fittings, they agreed to a settlement to fund some or all costs associated with repiping homes with PB piping and some types of fittings (For more detailed information, visit bit.ly/2oMWqQc).

If you encounter PB piping, do your customers a huge favor by educating them regarding the issues. Then provide an offer to repipe the home or the portion of their potable water system where PB remains.

KEYWORDS: pipe plumbers and pipefitters polybutylene tubing

Share This Story

Looking for a reprint of this article?
From high-res PDFs to custom plaques, order your copy today!

Dave yates

Dave Yates began his career in the PHCP-PVF trades in 1972 with F. W. Behler, a third-generation plumbing/ HVAC firm he purchased in 1985. Besides running F.W. Behler, writing articles for industry trade publications and speaking at events, Yates also is an experienced teacher in the hydronics industry, serving as an adjunct professor and on the Technical Advisory Board for the Thaddeus Stevens College of Technology. He can be reached at dyates@consultyates.com.

Recommended Content

JOIN TODAY
to unlock your recommendations.

Already have an account? Sign In

  • 2025 Next Gen ALL-STARS hero 1440

    2025 Next Gen All Stars: Top 20 Under 40 Plumbing Professionals

    This year’s group of NextGen All-Stars is full of young...
    Plumbing & Mechanical Contractor
    By: Kristen R. Bayles
  • Worker using the Milwaukee Tool SWITCH PACK drain cleaner

    Pipeline profits: Drain cleaning, pipe inspection create opportunities

    Drain cleaning and inspection services offer lucrative...
    Plumbing News
    By: Nicole Krawcke
  • Uponor employee, Arturo Moreno

    The reinvestment in American manufacturing and training

    Plumbing & Mechanical Chief Editor Nicole Krawcke and...
    Plumbing News
    By: Nicole Krawcke and Natalie Forster
Manage My Account
  • eNewsletters
  • Online Registration
  • Subscription Customer Service
  • eMagazine
  • Manage My Preferences

More Videos

Popular Stories

Hot water pipes

Campus shutdown at Oakland University exposes hidden risks of aging hot-water infrastructure

Floor heating manifold cabinet with flowmeter and PEX pipe.

Elegance extended: How to use the homerun system of connecting heat emitters

Industrial pressure gauge on a tank.

From cutting edge to classic: How to modernize outdated pneumatic control systems

Poll

Will business be up or down in 2025?

Do you anticipate business in 2025 to be up or down in comparison to 2024?
View Results Poll Archive

Products

The Water Came To A Stop

The Water Came To A Stop

See More Products
eBook | 2025 Radiant & Hydronics All Stars

Related Articles

  • Dave Yates

    Dave Yates: Heat pump mayhem

    See More
  • Dave Yates

    Dave Yates: Troubleshooting an electric water heater

    See More
  • Dave Yates

    Dave Yates: Honesty

    See More

Related Products

See More Products
  • what hydronics taught holohan.jpg

    What Hydronics Taught Holohan: A Memoir of Life in the Heating Industry

  • howcome.gif

    How Come? Hydronic heating questions we've been asking for 100 years (with straight answers!)

  • quick-basic-hy.gif

    Quick & Basic Hydronic Controls

See More Products

Events

View AllSubmit An Event
  • April 10, 2014

    Workshop: Hydronics for High Efficiency Wood-fired and Pellet-fired Boilers

    Session added to April 9-11 Northeast Biomass Heating Expo.
View AllSubmit An Event
×

Keep your content unclogged with our newsletters!

Stay in the know on the latest plumbing & piping industry trends.

JOIN TODAY!
  • RESOURCES
    • Advertise
    • Contact Us
    • Directories
    • Store
    • Want More
    • Supply House Times
  • SIGN UP TODAY
    • Create Account
    • eMagazine
    • eNewsletter
    • Customer Service
    • Manage Preferences
  • SERVICES
    • Marketing Services
    • Reprints
    • Market Research
    • List Rental
    • Survey/Respondent Access
  • STAY CONNECTED
    • LinkedIn
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • YouTube
    • X (Twitter)
  • PRIVACY
    • PRIVACY POLICY
    • TERMS & CONDITIONS
    • DO NOT SELL MY PERSONAL INFORMATION
    • PRIVACY REQUEST
    • ACCESSIBILITY

Copyright ©2025. All Rights Reserved BNP Media.

Design, CMS, Hosting & Web Development :: ePublishing