• Sign In
  • Create Account
  • Sign Out
  • My Account
  • NEWS
  • PRODUCTS
  • CONTRACTORS
  • ENGINEERS
  • RADIANT & HYDRONICS
  • INSIGHTS
  • MEDIA
  • RESOURCES
  • EMAGAZINE
  • SIGN UP!
cart
facebook instagram twitter linkedin youtube
  • CONTRACTORS
  • BATH & KITCHEN PRO
  • BUSINESS MANAGEMENT
  • HIGH EFFICIENCY HOMES
  • TECHNOLOGY
  • WATER TREATMENT
  • PMC COLUMNS
  • PMC COLUMNS
  • Dave Yates: Contractor’s Corner
  • John Siegenthaler: Hydronics Workshop
  • Kenny Chapman: The Blue Collar Coach
  • Matt Michel: Service Plumbing Pros
  • Scott Secor: Heating Perceptions
  • ENGINEERS
  • CONTINUING EDUCATION
  • DECARBONIZATION | ELECTRIFICATION
  • FIRE PROTECTION
  • GEOTHERMAL | SOLAR THERMAL
  • PIPING | PLUMBING | PVF
  • PME COLUMNS
  • PME COLUMNS
  • Christoph Lohr: Strategic Plumbing Insights
  • David Dexter: Plumbing Talking Points
  • James Dipping: Engineer Viewpoints
  • John Seigenthaler: Renewable Heating Design
  • Lowell Manalo: Plumbing Essentials
  • Misty Guard: Guard on Compliance
  • RADIANT & HYDRONICS
  • RADIANT COMFORT REPORT
  • THE GLITCH & THE FIX
  • INSIGHTS
  • CODES
  • GREEN PLUMBING & MECHANICAL
  • PROJECT PROFILES
  • COLUMNS
  • SPONSOR INSIGHTS
  • COLUMNS
  • Codes Corner
  • Natalie Forster: Editorial Opinion
  • Guest Editorial
  • MEDIA
  • PODCASTS
  • VIDEOS
  • WEBINARS
  • RESOURCES
  • INDUSTRY CALENDAR
  • DIRECTORIES
  • EBOOKS
  • PM BOOKSTORE
  • CE CENTER
  • MARKET RESEARCH
  • CLASSIFIEDS
  • EMAGAZINE
  • EMAGAZINE
  • ARCHIVE ISSUES
  • CONTACT
  • ADVERTISE
  • PME EMAGAZINE ARCHIVES
search
cart
facebook instagram twitter linkedin youtube
  • Sign In
  • Create Account
  • Sign Out
  • My Account
  • NEWS
  • PRODUCTS
  • CONTRACTORS
    • BATH & KITCHEN PRO
    • BUSINESS MANAGEMENT
    • HIGH EFFICIENCY HOMES
    • TECHNOLOGY
    • WATER TREATMENT
    • PMC COLUMNS
      • Dave Yates: Contractor’s Corner
      • John Siegenthaler: Hydronics Workshop
      • Kenny Chapman: The Blue Collar Coach
      • Matt Michel: Service Plumbing Pros
      • Scott Secor: Heating Perceptions
  • ENGINEERS
    • CONTINUING EDUCATION
    • DECARBONIZATION | ELECTRIFICATION
    • FIRE PROTECTION
    • GEOTHERMAL | SOLAR THERMAL
    • PIPING | PLUMBING | PVF
    • PME COLUMNS
      • Christoph Lohr: Strategic Plumbing Insights
      • David Dexter: Plumbing Talking Points
      • James Dipping: Engineer Viewpoints
      • John Seigenthaler: Renewable Heating Design
      • Lowell Manalo: Plumbing Essentials
      • Misty Guard: Guard on Compliance
  • RADIANT & HYDRONICS
    • RADIANT COMFORT REPORT
    • THE GLITCH & THE FIX
  • INSIGHTS
    • CODES
    • GREEN PLUMBING & MECHANICAL
    • PROJECT PROFILES
    • COLUMNS
      • Codes Corner
      • Natalie Forster: Editorial Opinion
      • Guest Editorial
    • SPONSOR INSIGHTS
  • MEDIA
    • PODCASTS
    • VIDEOS
    • WEBINARS
  • RESOURCES
    • INDUSTRY CALENDAR
    • DIRECTORIES
    • EBOOKS
    • PM BOOKSTORE
    • CE CENTER
    • MARKET RESEARCH
    • CLASSIFIEDS
  • EMAGAZINE
    • EMAGAZINE
    • ARCHIVE ISSUES
    • CONTACT
    • ADVERTISE
    • PME EMAGAZINE ARCHIVES
  • SIGN UP!
Plumbing NewsPlumbing, HVAC and Fire Protection CodesBusiness ManagementTechnology for Contractors

We might get letters… A horizontal wet venting leap of faith

Horizontal wet venting
Horizontal wet venting
Horizontal wet venting
Horizontal wet venting
Horizontal wet venting
Horizontal wet venting
Horizontal wet venting
Horizontal wet venting
Horizontal wet venting
Horizontal wet venting
November 14, 2016

I’ll admit it, when I was in college I did some stupid things — just like all college kids tend to do from time to time. Compared to most college students, I was pretty reserved. I didn’t party that much, I didn’t drink, and I didn’t participate in the fraternity system. However, that doesn’t mean that I was not prone to poor decision-making at times.

On one particular fall day a large group of friends and I headed out to a local lake to spend the day on the water. This lake features some very tall cliffs that overlook the lake, and some of my less sober friends thought it would be a great idea to jump off the cliffs into the water. Here is where my poor decision-making comes into play. Remember when I mentioned that I didn’t drink? That came back to haunt me. When it was my turn, I leapt off the cliff, fell for what seemed liked forever, and landed … badly. Being the only sober one to jump, I was the only one who got hurt. I guess inebriation helped the body absorb the impact better. Long story short, I ended up at urgent care, walked gingerly for three weeks, and eventually required corrective surgery. I also developed an intense fear of heights.

So, what does this have to do with plumbing? Absolutely nothing. What it does have to do with is regret and how I am really hoping not to regret writing this article. Horizontal wet venting has been very controversial and very misunderstood since it came into the Uniform Plumbing Code in the 2009 edition.

Here at IAPMO, we have developed training on it, facilitated webinars on it, provided conference presentations on it, and answered many questions on horizontal wet venting, but there is still a lot of confusion. IAPMO put together a committee a couple of years ago to examine this code language; its work resulted in a Tentative Interim Amendment that was ultimately incorporated into the Uniform Plumbing Code. I know that people still struggle with it at times, and, as a result, I am a little nervous about this one because my gut tells me that I am going to get a lot of comments, emails, and phone calls.

 

A Little Bit of Background

The idea of group venting, rather than individual venting, of fixtures within a bathroom group is the basic idea of wet venting. Originally, the design permitted the use of only one lavatory vent to provide the needed airflow to protect the trap seal for a bathtub. It did this through the piping of the lavatory’s vertical drain connection to the horizontal tub drain. The vent for the bathtub became wetted by the discharge of the lavatory, hence a wet vent. The design also worked suitably for back-to-back bathroom groups with only one common vent for the lavatories. Typically, the toilet was directly connected to and vented by a stack vent and required additional venting where the bathroom groups were located on lower levels of a multistory building and subject to stack pressures caused from fixtures discharging above. This particular group venting had very specific design parameters that needed to be followed, such as the diameter, length, and slope of the tub drain, the size of the lavatory drain that vented the bathroom group, and the diameter of the horizontal branch and where it was to connect to the stack relative to the toilet.

The idea of horizontal wet venting was a later development and significantly differs from the group venting just explained. Horizontal wet venting uses the concept of the combination waste and vent system (see Section 910.0) to eliminate the need to individually vent every fixture by relying on the existence of a continuous air space above the mean water surface in the horizontal drain, and the absence of excessive surges that would crest above the mean water surface.

 

Clearing Common Confusion

Before we get into the meat and potatoes of HWV systems, I wanted to point out where most of the confusion seems to come from based on what I have observed. First is understanding the correct definition of a bathroom group.

In the code, a bathroom group is defined as, “A group of fixtures consisting of a water closet, one or two lavatories, and either a bathtub, a combination bath/shower, or a shower and may include a urinal or bidet and an emergency floor drain.” It turns out that many people also include toilet rooms without a tub or shower in their personal concept of a bathroom. If one is thinking of horizontal wet venting, what many people refer to as a powder room or the typical public restroom — which may have banks of toilets and urinals but lacks an actual bathing facility — it becomes easier to see from where this concern might come. In this case, something as simple as a misunderstood definition was a large factor as to why the new language regarding horizontal wet venting met with such harsh criticism. People were attempting to apply the new language to a flawed conception of what the language was intended to regulate.

As a side note, the TIA mentioned above clarified the definition of “bathroom group” and created a new definition for “bathrooms.” By way of the TIA, bathroom groups were defined as: “Any combination of fixtures, not to  exceed one water closet, two lavatories, either one bathtub or one combination bath/shower, and one shower, and may include a bidet and an emergency floor drain.”  The definition for “bathroom” states: “A room equipped with a shower, bathtub, or combination bath/shower.”

The other issue is regarding upstream and downstream fixtures in an HWV system. This issue seems to confuse quite a few people because they are not clear that the dry vent and the start of the wet vent is the point of reference for determining upstream and downstream rather than looking as upstream and downstream in relation to the entire system. To avoid confusion of what it means for the fixture to be upstream, consider the difference between being upstream of the fixture itself and being upstream of the dry-vented fixture drain connection.

Figure A shows a bathtub that is laterally upstream of the lavatory fixture, but it is not upstream of the dry-vented fixture drain connection where the arrow shows the start of the wet vent. This is the point where the dry vent connects to the fixture drain that is wet-venting the bathroom group. To be upstream of the start of the wet vent, the bathtub would have to take off from the point where the vertical drain of the lavatory transitions horizontally as shown in Figure B. Therefore, Figure A would allow another fixture, such as a shower, to be upstream of the start of the wet vent. This would also require the sizing of the horizontal wet vent to be increased.

 

HWV System Basics and Design

The fixtures allowed to be vented by a wet vent either have low discharge surges or surges that only last for a short duration and do not significantly impact the air flow in the horizontal drain. That is why the water closet is distinguished from the other fixtures with the requirement to be connected to the horizontal wet vent downstream of all the fixture drain connections (see Section 908.2.4). Although it has a short surge duration, the toilet typically has a high discharge rate that could significantly impinge the air space in the horizontal drain and affect trap seals.

The design of the horizontal wet vent requires that each fixture within the bathroom group (see definition for Bathroom Group in Chapter 2) connects independently and laterally to the horizontal wet vent pipe and does not exceed the lengths from the trap to the lateral connection as determined by Table 1002.2 (see Figure C). This reduces the potential to interrupt the airflow above the mean water surface, and also prevents the vented upper portion of the horizontal wet vent pipe from being below the weir of the trap. Surge flows of relatively short durations follow discharges from the lavatory and water closet, while tubs and showers could tend toward steady flows when the drainage is extended over a period of time (such as extended shower use and tubs draining when full). The condition of flows in the horizontal wet vent branch could be steady, surge, or no flow. Therefore, these lateral connections are the critical points of the system.

 

Vent Connections

The only fixtures that may serve as the wet venting fixture for the bathroom group are the bidet, shower, bathtub, and lavatory(s). This excludes the water closet, floor drain, or any fixtures outside the bathroom. This also excludes a back-to-back lavatory since the lavatories would be in separate bathroom groups. Two lavatories serving as a wet vent are only permitted if they are within the same bathroom group as Section 908.2.5 requires.

The code allows only one wet-vented fixture drain or trap arm to discharge upstream of the dry-vented fixture drain connection. This is, again, where many people get confused, as mentioned earlier.

 

Sizing HWV Systems

In order to prevent excessive interference at the junction of the lateral connections, the sizing requirements for the horizontal wet vent branch are more restrictive than what is allowed in Table 703.2. If combined flows at the junctions are excessive, local flooding or large pneumatic pressure fluctuations may occur. Therefore, the minimum size for the horizontal wet vent pipe is 2 inches and limited to four fixture units. A system having five or more fixture units must be increased to 3 inches. The reduced fixture units limit the practical flow capacity, allowing the drain sufficient volume for continuous air space above the flow. Along with having sufficient volume within the pipe, it is also critical to maintain a minimum uniform slope of 1/4 inch per foot to prevent surges of water to crest the crown of the pipe (see Section 708.1).

 

Trap Arms

For the most part, the HWV systems follow the normal requirements for trap arms. However, section 908.2.3 does make a point to state that the vent pipe opening from the horizontal wet vent must not be below the weir of the trap. This is because the vent pipe opening below the weir of the trap would not allow an unvented lavatory to be connected independently to the wet vented horizontal branch even though the distance of the lavatory trap arm to the wet vented horizontal branch is in accordance with Table 1002.2. An unvented lavatory trap arm would form an S-trap, which is in conflict with Section 1004.1 that prohibits S-traps. With this provision, the lavatory(s) may serve as the wet vent, or shall be individually vented when not serving as the wet vent (as shown in Figure D).

 

Be Gentle

By “be gentle,” I mean be gentle with me, not the system. Horizontal wet venting seems to be one of those code topics that keeps coming up over and over again and a lot of confusion remains, especially in areas where this style of venting was not allowed prior to the 2009 UPC.

As we head toward the 2018 code cycle, I imagine people are still going to have questions. Because of these reasons, I had to write this article knowing that some people just don’t like HWV systems, some people are still trying to wrap their minds around it, and others struggle with the code verbiage. Just remember, I am just a messenger who took a little bit of a leap from a cliff and is just trying to help. So, as you formulate your comments and feedback, please be gentle. 

 

"This article was originally posted on www.reevesjournal.com."

KEYWORDS: ventilation

Share This Story

Looking for a reprint of this article?
From high-res PDFs to custom plaques, order your copy today!

Recommended Content

JOIN TODAY
to unlock your recommendations.

Already have an account? Sign In

  • Worker using the Milwaukee Tool SWITCH PACK drain cleaner

    Pipeline profits: Drain cleaning, pipe inspection create opportunities

    Drain cleaning and inspection services offer lucrative...
    Green Plumbing and Mechanical
    By: Nicole Krawcke
  • Uponor employee, Arturo Moreno

    The reinvestment in American manufacturing and training

    Plumbing & Mechanical Chief Editor Nicole Krawcke and...
    Plumbing News
    By: Nicole Krawcke and Natalie Forster
  • March 2024 Women in Plumbing hero image of woman engineer overlayed by circle of hexagon shapes with numbers from 1 to 10

    Celebrating 10 Influential Women in the Plumbing Industry

    Celebrating Women's History Month and Women in...
    Plumbing News
    By: Nicole Krawcke
Subscribe For Free!
  • eNewsletters
  • Online Registration
  • Subscription Customer Service
  • eMagazine
  • Manage My Preferences

IPEX celebrates grand opening of new Florida distribution center

IPEX celebrates grand opening of new Florida distribution center

Bell & Gossett Illustrates Path to Net-zero at AHR Expo

Bell & Gossett Illustrates Path to Net-zero at AHR Expo

NIBCO Press Solutions

NIBCO Press Solutions

AI can boost efficiency and profitability for plumbing, HVAC contractors

AI can boost efficiency and profitability for plumbing, HVAC contractors

More Videos

Sponsored Content

Sponsored Content is a special paid section where industry companies provide high quality, objective, non-commercial content around topics of interest to the Plumbing & Mechanical audience. All Sponsored Content is supplied by the advertising company and any opinions expressed in this article are those of the author and not necessarily reflect the views of Plumbing & Mechanical or its parent company, BNP Media. Interested in participating in our Sponsored Content section? Contact your local rep!

close
  • J.J. Keller CMV vehicles on road
    Sponsored byJ. J. Keller & Associates, Inc.

    The dash cam game-changer for small business safety

Popular Stories

The interior of a government building.

President Trump signs executive order promoting skilled trades and apprenticeships

Figure 1 is a sketch of the flow problems of the current plumbing system.

Hydronic heating glitch solved: Why adding a circulator won't fix primary loop flow issue

Underfloor heating installation with drain sewer hole in bathroom close up on water floor heating.

Using hydronics to leverage time-of-use electrical rates

PM BEMIS June 25 Free Webinar: Optimizing Plumbing Solutions for Single-Family, Multi-Family & Public Spaces

Events

November 13, 2024

Future Proofing MEP: Navigating the 2026 High Efficiency Water Heating Standards

Join our deep dive into DOE’s new standards so you can future-proof your MEP practice.

EARN: 0.1 ASPE CEU; 1 AIA LU/HSW; 0.1 IACET CEU*; 1 PDH

View All Submit An Event

Poll

Will business be up or down in 2025?

Do you anticipate business in 2025 to be up or down in comparison to 2024?
View Results Poll Archive

Products

The Water Came To A Stop

The Water Came To A Stop

See More Products

Download the FREE Water Conservation, Quality & Safety eBook: Plumbing Trends Increasing Safe Water Availability

Related Articles

  • Julius Ballanco

    Mysteries of wet venting in bathrooms

    See More
  • Horizontal Venting

    See More
  • AWWA, water-quality, Flint water crisis

    Together we can get the lead out: American Water Works Association on Removing All Lead Service Pipelines

    See More

Related Products

See More Products
  • M:\General Shared\__AEC Store Katie Z\AEC Store\Images\Plumbing\new sites\classic_hydronics.gif

    Classic Hydronics - How To Get The Most From Those Older Hot-Water Heating Systems

  • 51EpbH0yOwL__SL210_.jpg

    We Got Steam Heat!

  • what hydronics taught holohan.jpg

    What Hydronics Taught Holohan: A Memoir of Life in the Heating Industry

See More Products
×

Keep your content unclogged with our newsletters!

Stay in the know on the latest plumbing & piping industry trends.

JOIN TODAY!
  • RESOURCES
    • Advertise
    • Contact Us
    • Directories
    • Store
    • Want More
    • Supply House Times
  • SIGN UP TODAY
    • Create Account
    • eMagazine
    • eNewsletter
    • Customer Service
    • Manage Preferences
  • SERVICES
    • Marketing Services
    • Reprints
    • Market Research
    • List Rental
    • Survey/Respondent Access
  • STAY CONNECTED
    • LinkedIn
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • YouTube
    • X (Twitter)
  • PRIVACY
    • PRIVACY POLICY
    • TERMS & CONDITIONS
    • DO NOT SELL MY PERSONAL INFORMATION
    • PRIVACY REQUEST
    • ACCESSIBILITY

Copyright ©2025. All Rights Reserved BNP Media.

Design, CMS, Hosting & Web Development :: ePublishing

search
cart
facebook instagram twitter linkedin youtube
  • Sign In
  • Create Account
  • Sign Out
  • My Account
  • NEWS
  • PRODUCTS
  • CONTRACTORS
    • BATH & KITCHEN PRO
    • BUSINESS MANAGEMENT
    • HIGH EFFICIENCY HOMES
    • TECHNOLOGY
    • WATER TREATMENT
    • PMC COLUMNS
      • Dave Yates: Contractor’s Corner
      • John Siegenthaler: Hydronics Workshop
      • Kenny Chapman: The Blue Collar Coach
      • Matt Michel: Service Plumbing Pros
      • Scott Secor: Heating Perceptions
  • ENGINEERS
    • CONTINUING EDUCATION
    • DECARBONIZATION | ELECTRIFICATION
    • FIRE PROTECTION
    • GEOTHERMAL | SOLAR THERMAL
    • PIPING | PLUMBING | PVF
    • PME COLUMNS
      • Christoph Lohr: Strategic Plumbing Insights
      • David Dexter: Plumbing Talking Points
      • James Dipping: Engineer Viewpoints
      • John Seigenthaler: Renewable Heating Design
      • Lowell Manalo: Plumbing Essentials
      • Misty Guard: Guard on Compliance
  • RADIANT & HYDRONICS
    • RADIANT COMFORT REPORT
    • THE GLITCH & THE FIX
  • INSIGHTS
    • CODES
    • GREEN PLUMBING & MECHANICAL
    • PROJECT PROFILES
    • COLUMNS
      • Codes Corner
      • Natalie Forster: Editorial Opinion
      • Guest Editorial
    • SPONSOR INSIGHTS
  • MEDIA
    • PODCASTS
    • VIDEOS
    • WEBINARS
  • RESOURCES
    • INDUSTRY CALENDAR
    • DIRECTORIES
    • EBOOKS
    • PM BOOKSTORE
    • CE CENTER
    • MARKET RESEARCH
    • CLASSIFIEDS
  • EMAGAZINE
    • EMAGAZINE
    • ARCHIVE ISSUES
    • CONTACT
    • ADVERTISE
    • PME EMAGAZINE ARCHIVES
  • SIGN UP!