search
cart
facebook instagram twitter linkedin youtube
  • Sign In
  • Create Account
  • Sign Out
  • My Account
  • NEWS
  • PRODUCTS
    • FEATURED PRODUCTS
  • CONTRACTORS
    • BATH & KITCHEN PRO
    • BUSINESS MANAGEMENT
    • HIGH EFFICIENCY HOMES
    • TECHNOLOGY
    • WATER TREATMENT
    • PMC COLUMNS
      • Dave Yates: Contractor’s Corner
      • John Siegenthaler: Hydronics Workshop
      • Kenny Chapman: The Blue Collar Coach
      • Matt Michel: Service Plumbing Pros
      • Scott Secor: Heating Perceptions
  • ENGINEERS
    • CONTINUING EDUCATION
    • DECARBONIZATION | ELECTRIFICATION
    • FIRE PROTECTION
    • GEOTHERMAL | SOLAR THERMAL
    • PIPING | PLUMBING | PVF
    • PME COLUMNS
      • Christoph Lohr: Strategic Plumbing Insights
      • David Dexter: Plumbing Talking Points
      • James Dipping: Engineer Viewpoints
      • John Seigenthaler: Renewable Heating Design
      • Lowell Manalo: Plumbing Essentials
      • Misty Guard: Guard on Compliance
  • RADIANT & HYDRONICS
    • RADIANT COMFORT REPORT
    • THE GLITCH & THE FIX
  • INSIGHTS
    • CODES
    • GREEN PLUMBING & MECHANICAL
    • PROJECT PROFILES
    • COLUMNS
      • Codes Corner
      • Natalie Forster: Editorial Opinion
      • Guest Editorial
  • MEDIA
    • EBOOKS
    • PODCASTS
    • VIDEOS
    • WEBINARS
  • RESOURCES
    • INDUSTRY CALENDAR
    • DIRECTORIES
    • PM BOOKSTORE
    • CE CENTER
    • MARKET RESEARCH
    • CLASSIFIEDS
  • EMAGAZINE
    • EMAGAZINE
    • ARCHIVE ISSUES
    • CONTACT
    • ADVERTISE
    • PME EMAGAZINE ARCHIVES
  • SIGN UP!
Radiant & HydronicsThe Glitch & The Fix

Taking the easy path

The Glitch & The Fix, February 2017

By John Siegenthaler, P.E.
Taking the easy path

The Glitch drawing: It represents piping up a two-zone, low-temperature radiant floor heating system to a conventional gas-fired boiler.

The Fix: The fix is to install a circulator between each mixing valve and its associated manifold station

The Fix: The fix is to install a circulator between each mixing valve and its associated manifold station.

Taking the easy path
The Fix: The fix is to install a circulator between each mixing valve and its associated manifold station
February 27, 2017

The Glitch

An installer pipes up a two-zone, low-temperature radiant floor heating system to a conventional gas-fired boiler, as shown below. Zone valves are installed so that each zone can operate independently. Can you identify at least four errors in this design?

The Fix:

1. Whenever there’s a mixing valve in a hydronic distribution system there has to be a circulator between that mixing valve and the heat emitters. This is not the case in the glitch drawing. Remember: When flow exits a circulator all it “cares about” is getting back to the inlet of that circulator. In the glitch drawing there is virtually no “incentive” for flow to pass through the radiant panel manifold stations, even when the zone valves are open. Instead, it takes the short cut from the hot port to the cold port of the thermostatic mixing valves. This is sure to lead to an underheating problem.

The fix is to install a circulator between each mixing valve and its associated manifold station as shown in Figure 2 (The Fix drawing above). Eliminate the zone valves. The hydraulic separator is also used to minimize interaction between these new circulators, as well as between them and the boiler circulator. It also provides high efficiency air and dirt separation for the system.

 

2. There is nothing to prevent sustained flue gas condensation from forming within the conventional boiler. There are several ways to fix this, each of which measures the water temperature entering the boiler and reacts to it. One of the simplest approach is to install a high flow capacity 3-way thermostatic mixing valve as shown in Figure 2.

This valve will always modulate in an attempt to keep the boiler inlet temperature at or above 130 ºF, which is generally high enough to prevent sustained flue gas condensation.

 

3. Because each of the manifold stations now has its own circulator, each can operate as a separate zone. However, this requires preventing of flow reversal through the inactive zone when the other zone is operating. A 3-way thermostatic valve cannot provide flow reversal protection, because under certain conditions flow can move directly between the hot and cold ports of the valve. This potential flow short circuiting also prevents a spring-loaded check valve within each of the new circulators from ensuring there is no flow reversal. The solution is to install a spring-loaded check valve near the end of each branch circuit. Provide at least 12 pipe diameters of straight pipe upstream of this check valve to minimize turbulence and possible rattling of the valve’s internal disc.

 

4. Finally, the system in figure 1 lack any means of forced-water purging. Two purging valves, one in each branch circuit, have been installed in the system of Figure 2 to handle this task.

 

This article was originally titled “Taking the easy path” in the February 2017 print edition of Plumbing & Mechanical.

 

Please Check the Taking the Easy Path pdf.

KEYWORDS: troubleshooting

Share This Story

Looking for a reprint of this article?
From high-res PDFs to custom plaques, order your copy today!

John siegenthaler 200x200

John Siegenthaler, P.E., is a consulting engineer and principal of Appropriate Designs in Holland Patent, New York. In partnership with HeatSpring, he has developed several online courses that provide in-depth, design-level training in modern hydronics systems, air-to-water heat pumps and biomass boiler systems. Additional information and resources for hydronic system design are available on Siegenthaler’s website,  www.hydronicpros.com.

Recommended Content

JOIN TODAY
to unlock your recommendations.

Already have an account? Sign In

  • 2025 Next Gen ALL-STARS hero 1440

    2025 Next Gen All Stars: Top 20 Under 40 Plumbing Professionals

    This year’s group of NextGen All-Stars is full of young...
    Plumbing & Mechanical Contractor
    By: Kristen R. Bayles
  • Worker using the Milwaukee Tool SWITCH PACK drain cleaner

    Pipeline profits: Drain cleaning, pipe inspection create opportunities

    Drain cleaning and inspection services offer lucrative...
    Plumbing News
    By: Nicole Krawcke
  • Uponor employee, Arturo Moreno

    The reinvestment in American manufacturing and training

    Plumbing & Mechanical Chief Editor Nicole Krawcke and...
    Plumbing News
    By: Nicole Krawcke and Natalie Forster
Manage My Account
  • eNewsletters
  • Online Registration
  • Subscription Customer Service
  • eMagazine
  • Manage My Preferences

More Videos

Popular Stories

Hot water pipes

Campus shutdown at Oakland University exposes hidden risks of aging hot-water infrastructure

Floor heating manifold cabinet with flowmeter and PEX pipe.

Elegance extended: How to use the homerun system of connecting heat emitters

Industrial pressure gauge on a tank.

From cutting edge to classic: How to modernize outdated pneumatic control systems

Poll

Will business be up or down in 2025?

Do you anticipate business in 2025 to be up or down in comparison to 2024?
View Results Poll Archive

Products

The Water Came To A Stop

The Water Came To A Stop

See More Products
eBook | 2025 Radiant & Hydronics All Stars

Related Articles

  • Retrofits made easy

    See More
  • Peculiar Piping

    See More
  • An installer decides to use a buffer tank between a mod/con boiler and a highly zoned distribution system.

    What Difference Does It Make?

    See More

Related Products

See More Products
  • 418GcA6aLWL__SL210_.jpg

    Primary-Secondary Pumping Made Easy!

  • Significant Changes to the International Building Code 2015 Edition

  • The ACCA Job Safety (1).jpg

    The ACCA On-The-Job Safety Handbook (Pack of 5)

See More Products
×

Keep your content unclogged with our newsletters!

Stay in the know on the latest plumbing & piping industry trends.

JOIN TODAY!
  • RESOURCES
    • Advertise
    • Contact Us
    • Directories
    • Store
    • Want More
    • Supply House Times
  • SIGN UP TODAY
    • Create Account
    • eMagazine
    • eNewsletter
    • Customer Service
    • Manage Preferences
  • SERVICES
    • Marketing Services
    • Reprints
    • Market Research
    • List Rental
    • Survey/Respondent Access
  • STAY CONNECTED
    • LinkedIn
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • YouTube
    • X (Twitter)
  • PRIVACY
    • PRIVACY POLICY
    • TERMS & CONDITIONS
    • DO NOT SELL MY PERSONAL INFORMATION
    • PRIVACY REQUEST
    • ACCESSIBILITY

Copyright ©2025. All Rights Reserved BNP Media.

Design, CMS, Hosting & Web Development :: ePublishing