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Radiant & HydronicsThe Glitch & The Fix

Hydraulic separator piping to indirect water heater, boilers

The Glitch & The Fix, February 2016

By John Siegenthaler, P.E.
February 2016 The Glitch & The Fix -- Glitch drawing

Glitch drawing: To connect an indirect water heater to a multiple boiler system, the designer selects a hydraulic separator for the project. He connects the piping of the indirect water heater on the same side as the boilers. He also specifies a motorized valve, as shown in the schematic. Graphic credit: John Siegenthaler, P.E.

February 2016 The Glitch & The Fix -- Fix drawing

Fix drawing: One problem with the original design is that the supply temperature sensor for the multiple boiler controller is installed on the outlet side of the hydraulic separator. Most boiler controllers only have a single supply temperature sensor that has to provide feedback to the controller in both the space-heating and domestic-water-heating modes. Graphic credit: John Siegenthaler, P.E.

February 2016 The Glitch & The Fix -- Glitch drawing
February 2016 The Glitch & The Fix -- Fix drawing
February 11, 2016

The Glitch

A designer needs to connect an indirect water heater to a multiple boiler system. He selects a hydraulic separator for the project, and connects the piping of the indirect water heater on the same side as the boilers. He also specifies a motorized valve, as shown in the schematic. This valve will close during the domestic water heating cycle so that one or both of the boiler circulators can only drive flow through the indirect water heater.

Study the schematic above and list a few details you think should be changed.

The Fix

One problem with the original design is that the supply temperature sensor for the multiple boiler controller is installed on the outlet side of the hydraulic separator. Most boiler controllers only have a single supply temperature sensor that has to provide feedback to the controller in both the space-heating and domestic-water-heating modes. The sensor cannot provide accurate feedback without flow passing through the piping to which it is attached (as would be the case with the original design).

The cost of a large motorized valve is probably as much if not more than a separate circulator for the indirect water heater. The latter also ensures good flow through the tank’s heat exchanger regardless of flow through the boiler(s). This valve also adds hydraulic resistance in the circuit leading through the left side of the hydraulic separator.

This will erode (but not eliminate) the ability of the hydraulic separator to prevent interaction between the boiler circulators. The latter is important because the reverse return piping shown on the original drawing, while not necessary an error, is usually not necessary, provided the header is sized for a very low pressure drop.

Maintaining flow through the hydraulic separator in both operating modes also allows the air- and dirt-separating functions of the hydraulic separator to remain in effect. Heat loss from the hydraulic separator is reduced during both operating modes by its insulating shell — this shell is an absolute must for any hydraulic separator.

Finally, purging valves, an expansion tank and a makeup water assembly have been added to the subcircuits in the Fix drawing above.

Download a pdf of the February 2016 The Glitch & The Fix.

This was originally published as "Lefty or righty" in Plumbing & Mechanical's February 2016 issue.

KEYWORDS: hydronic controls hydronic system design incorrect design schematic layout water heaters

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John Siegenthaler, P.E., is a consulting engineer and principal of Appropriate Designs in Holland Patent, New York. In partnership with HeatSpring, he has developed several online courses that provide in-depth, design-level training in modern hydronics systems, air-to-water heat pumps and biomass boiler systems. Additional information and resources for hydronic system design are available on Siegenthaler’s website,  www.hydronicpros.com.

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Glitch drawing: To connect an indirect water heater to a multiple boiler system, the designer selects a hydraulic separator for the project. He connects the piping of the indirect water heater on the same side as the boilers. He also specifies a motorized valve, as shown in the schematic. Graphic credit: John Siegenthaler, P.E.
Fix drawing: One problem with the original design is that the supply temperature sensor for the multiple boiler controller is installed on the outlet side of the hydraulic separator. Most boiler controllers only have a single supply temperature sensor that has to provide feedback to the controller in both the space-heating and domestic-water-heating modes. Graphic credit: John Siegenthaler, P.E.

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