Is an electronic thermostat appropriate for hydronic heating? How about for in-floor heating? Can you use a setback thermostat for hydronic or in-floor heating?
Them used to be fightin' words not that many years ago. Some folks in the industry would get pretty hot pretty fast because "by golly, grandpa didn't use that gol blame stuff and we don't need to either." Things have loosened up some, but we're still a bunch that doesn't like new stuff very much. (Well, except for new trucks. New trucks are great.)
You know where I'm going with this. Electronic thermostats are great for hydronics and in-floor. And there are applications for setbacks, too. Keep listening. You're actually going to like this because you can work some magic with very little time and money.
Let's take care of the grandpa issue first.
Setback thermostats are not a new idea. The first setback (clock) thermostat arrived in the early 1900s. It was the original Chronotherm (chrono is Greek for "time," therm is "heat"). If you work in older houses, you may even have come across one or two of them. They're a thermostat with a clock face and a keyhole for an old-fashioned, clock-winding key.
The case is a beautiful piece of metal art. The homeowner would wind the thermostat clock just like they did the big tick-tock on the mantel. The first one I saw was in a stately mansion in St. Paul, Minn., on an original hot water heating system. Yes, after all these years the whole system was still working.
Electronic thermostats have been around since at least the late 1970s. That's over 30 years ago, so they aren't very new either.
Yes, electronic thermostats work just great with hydronic heating. When you think about it, why wouldn't they? The reasons are probably that you or someone you've listened to has had a bad experience. I have two things to ask about that:
1. How long ago was that? Thirty years is plenty of time for a problem or two to happen. On the other hand, 30 years is plenty of time to get the bugs ironed out.
2. Was it a reputable major brand thermostat, or was it a brand you don't quite remember?
Using Electric ThermostatsThere are some definite advantages to using electronic thermostats, in performance, appearance and the impression you make. Let's start with comfort, the business we're really in.
A recent study using NEMA (National Electrical Manufacturers Association) standards found that electronic thermostats made by historically major thermostat manufacturers keep temperature within a one-degree temperature range. (Not all the others do so well, so don't assume all electronic thermostats are the same.) You may recall that two degrees is within the comfort range of most folks, so this is tight temperature control that you can't get with an electromechanical thermostat.
In addition to accuracy, here are some reasons to use electronic thermostats:
- They look good to many consumers - streamlined, modern;
- Lots of people think digital is better;
- They make your job look modern, even if the other controls and equipment are old stand-bys;
- They don't come in that old beige color that many consumers hate (but heating folks still love);
- You don't have to level them to be accurate (did you know that a mercury bulb stat is one degree out of calibration for every degree of level?);
- They are available in heat-only if air conditioning switching is a problem.
"Yeah, but digital thermostats cost more." You're right, the ones worth having do cost a bit more, but not very much more in the whole scheme of things. And there's the concept of your mark-up ...
"Yeah but, to tell the truth, I don't know how to program it and I don't want to learn." Electronic doesn't necessarily mean programmable. Even so, a good programmable will come with a standard program in it, so it will still function as a standard thermostat.
"Yeah, but electronic thermostats don't have anticipators." That's right. I actually saw one in a distributor's warranty box marked "anticipator missing" as the reason for return. But they don't need one.
If you remember back to the purpose of an anticipator, it's there to determine cycle rate. An electronic thermostat skips the anticipator and goes directly to cycle rate. It makes the job easier for us, too, because it figures the amp draw of the load and adjusts accordingly, rather than having us do it (not that we did it all that much anyway).
"Yeah, but they don't come in beige, and that means my fingerprints show." Sigh.
Glossary Of TermsAll the thermostat terms flying around can be pretty confusing - electronic, digital, programmable, setback, clock thermostat, day-night. Here's the quick sort-out.
Electronic and digital mean the same thing. Those terms mean there's a digital display, and you can't see what's going on inside. Electronic does not necessarily mean programmable, though I've heard of some inspectors that don't know that.
Programmable, setback, clock and day-night are terms interchangeable with each other. These thermostats can have different temperature settings at different times. A programmable stat is probably electronic, though there are some oldies that have an analog clock and aren't electronic. You can always choose not to program a programmable thermostat and it will operate anyway, though maybe not quite like the homeowner wants.
One more term that gets thrown into the pot is "RTU." An RTU is a sensor that sends information to controls that are somewhere else.
The assumption, from the 1970s energy crunch, is that the only purpose of a programmable thermostat is to save money on energy. And interest in that isn't very high these days. In fact, in the upscale areas of Colorado and Utah, the big, rich boys have been known to claim bragging rights over who has the most outrageous energy bill. (Variations of "mine's bigger" just never end, do they?)
Setbacks And Hydronic HeatThere's a myth that you can't setback with hydronic heat because you won't be able to get the heat up in time in the morning. That comes from the assumption that hydronic heat is always high mass, and that setback needs to be many degrees (10 or more) to be worth doing.
Neither is necessarily so. Much hydronic heating uses fin tube as a convector, which is not high mass. Floors aren't necessarily high mass, either.
Setback doesn't have to be big setback. A few degrees may be worthwhile. The real purpose of setback these days is (what business are we really in?) that's right, comfort.
For starters, if you try to sleep under all those upscale down comforters at normal room temperature, you'll roast. So the temperature needs to be lower at night, at least in places of opulent bedding. Of course, no one wants to be the one who gets up to turn up the temperature, so automation through a thermostat is necessary.
A comfort expectation that's unique to in-floor heating is that the floor will be a lovely warm temperature every morning when those happy bare toes hit the floor. Some homeowners are disappointed when they can't always feel it. This is a situation where a programmable thermostat is a relatively inexpensive solution.
"What!" many of you are exclaiming. "You can't use a setback stat on a radiant floor. The temperature will never get back up in time." You certainly can by using just a couple degrees of setback.
Find out what time those bare toes are going to hit the floor, and program the stat to be in recovery mode then. Recovery mode means when the heat is coming up in the morning. You can use a conventional recovery stat where you tell it what time to start bringing on the heat. Or you can use a stat with intelligent recovery (costs more but worth it) where you tell it what time you want it to be fully warm and it does all the thinking to get it there every day at exactly the right time.
With just a couple degrees setback you don't have much difference to recover. Intelligent recovery will even make sure you don't do a setback more than you can recover from.
If you're not already using electronic thermostats, give them a try for comfort and appearance. And if you've always thought that programmables and hydronics don't mix, please give it another thought.
As always, I welcome your comments and knowledge.